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April ’21 – Week 2 – An Interview with Booray Perry

Booray Perry portrait

What a fun time it was to sit down and pick the brain of Booray Perry! In this week’s interview, Booray gives great tips and insights into how he’s navigated the waters of the pandemic during this last year, and shares some of the tools that make his daily life so much easier and more efficient. The full audio of our interview and the transcript are below.


Full interview audio:


Links to websites and resources mentioned:

Booray’s website:

Podcast hosted by Booray for photographers:

Photographers helping photographers Facebook group: “Pro Photo Talk with Booray Perry”

Remove the clutter of all your papers: Evernote

Never forget to reply or follow up with a client – Boomerang

Booray Perry on YouTube –

Photo retouching: RetouchUp


Full Transcript:

Trevor: Welcome to RetouchUp’s interview series where we get to hear from some very talented photographers and how they turned their photography business into a success. My name is Trevor Black and I’ll be your host. We’re thrilled to have the chance to speak with Booray Perry today. Booray started as a yearbook photographer before taking a 20 year hiatus into radio and comedy. And he’s been a full-time pro for 14 years. Booray has spoken all over the country at conventions and hosts a podcast called Photobomb with Gary Hughes, which has been up and running for five years. Booray is a Master Photographer, a Photographic Craftsmen, a Certified Professional Photographer, and has a Florida Degree of Photographic Excellence. Booray, welcome and thanks for joining me.

Booray: Hey, thanks for having me.

Trevor: Oh, absolutely. And hey, I got to say you and Gary on that podcast, Photobomb are quite the duo. I was listening to your recent one, the Senior-itis, and I was just laughing to myself as you guys were talking about balding men. Oh man. I was dying. And for those of you listening, they don’t just talk about bald men. They have awesome reviews and keep up on the latest photography news. It’s fantastic. But, Booray what, what was your inspiration for you and Gary to kind of put that podcast together?

Booray: Well, it actually wasn’t my inspiration at all. It was all Gary’s idea. Gary and I had known each other, you know, a little bit here and there from our work in Florida. And he lives in Orlando, I live in Tampa. And then we were sitting at the bar talking to each other at a convention about, I don’t know, six years ago, and just really enjoying the conversation and having a good time and hitting it off. And Gary said, you know, we should do a podcast! And I said, no, we absolutely should not do a podcast. That’s a terrible idea. And he said, Oh, it’d be great! And I said, no, it won’t. It will be a lot of work. No one will listen to it. I said, and it will be just a total failure and a complete waste of time. And this comes from a guy who spent 20 years in radio. And I know, I know how hard it is to produce a new show every single week. Like it’s way too much work. And, Gary said, well, you know what, what if I did all the work? And all you had to do was show up and be on the show. And I said, okay, that’s the only way I’ll do it, is if I just get to show up and be on the show, but you have to do all the other behind the scenes stuff. And that was the deal we made. And, I maintain the website, but other than that, which by the way, I haven’t updated the website in two years, but other than that, he takes care of most of the detail stuff. And, and, and I’m just, you know, a guy who’s on the show with him. So, we’ve been doing it now for five years and it’s, it’s pretty successful. And as you said, we, we only spend about half the show talking about photography and the other half of the show, we talk about whatever we feel like talking about.

Trevor: That’s great. Well, I certainly enjoyed it. So, I mean, for those of you looking for another podcast, definitely check out Photobomb. It’s a good time with, with Booray and Gary, for sure.

Booray: Well listen, I’m gonna just say if people are here for the first time and they don’t know what Photobomb is. Imagine going to lunch with your friends who are photographers. That’s exactly what it’s like. You don’t sit down with your friends who were photographers and immediately just talk for an hour about photography. You talk about everything, but you also talk about photography because they’re photographers and that’s really the kind of podcast that we do. So we’re going to tell you something funny that happened to us that week we’re going to riff on things or whatever, and then we’re going to eventually get around to talking about photography.

Trevor: Awesome. No, yeah. Thanks for explaining that for sure. And then yeah, jumping into things. I mean, like I kind of mentioned in the intro, you know, we’d love to kind of learn a little bit more about who you are and kind of how you became, this successful photographer. And so could you just give us a little bit of your background, and kind of the type of photography that you are currently offering to clients?

Booray: Uh, well, I was, you know, a yearbook photographer. I had my own dark and everything when I was in high school. And then I walked away from photography and became a disc jockey. And I worked all around the country as a radio disc jockey and clubs, and did improv comedy for a couple of years as well. And then I moved to Florida, got married and my wife and I owned a title insurance business, which is tied in with the real estate market. And it was very successful and my wife ran the business and I was a stay-at-home dad, basically. I did the books and I was a stay at home dad. And then in 2007, when the housing market crashed, we lost everything. We had 12 employees, we had, we had a very successful thriving business. And we lost it all. In one month we were completely done, out of business, no money. And so, here I was the guy who had retired in his forties and had, suddenly I had to go back to work for my family and I didn’t want to go back to radio. And the only thing that I ever really loved doing other than that was taking pictures. So I launched Booray Perry Photography in 2007, and I thought that I was going to do portraits, until I shot a wedding. And then I shot a wedding and loved it. And I love the, the intensity of it, and the, and you’ve got to get this right, you know, I, I love the action of the wedding. And so then I did primarily weddings for a while. My wife and I also built a beach wedding company where we did tourists getting married on the beach. We did that for about four or five years. I shot about 500 beach weddings at that time. And, uh, yeah. And then, nowadays I do a little bit of everything, but I’m a, I’m an all, I’m an all purpose photographer. I’m a Jack of all trades photographer. I don’t have a specialty. I shoot weddings, I shoot a lot of bar mitzvahs, I, I do a lot of headshots, corporate headshots and stuff like that. We have a convention here, I’ll, I’ll set up at a convention and shoot 300 headshots in two days. You know, I, I’ve done everything but architecture and I don’t do infants anymore. And I don’t do boudoir anymore. But I’ve certainly dabbled in them. I just don’t do them anymore.

Trevor: Oh, gotcha. Okay. So pretty much everything except for the last few, like architecture and infants. Man, so yeah. I’m sure that keeps you super busy. That’s a lot.

Booray: Well, you know, I, I like the, I like the variety of it. I know that a lot of people will say that it’s easier to be more successful as a photographer if you, if you pick one lane and stay hard in that lane. I’m a wedding photographer and all I do is weddings, but I would get bored with it. I’ll be all into weddings this week, and the next week I’m all into head shots, and then the next week I’m back into weddings.

Trevor: Okay. Yeah. That makes perfect sense. Keep you on your toes. Keep going, that’s awesome. And then interesting that you mentioned that, you know, you had to kind of this real estate company that really tanked in 2007 when the market just crashed, because now that kind of seems like you’ve been hit or like, we’ve all been kind of hit by two big things with that one in 2007, and then COVID last year. What, what’s been that like for, for your photography business in the last year, what have been some of your struggles and how have you kind of worked your way through it?

Booray: Well, I like many photographers, I lost everything, uh, last year. Everything dried up from me. I had, you know, I had a bunch of weddings and bar mitzvahs on the books for the rest of the year and most of them postponed. And then later they would call me back and say, yeah, the postponement’s not going to work and we’re going to have to cancel. So I lost all my event work. In addition to doing that, I also, and it’s not a big income, you know, but it’s a little bit of a supplement and of course it’s a lot of fun, I travel and I teach a lot. So, I travel and teach and teach all over the country and that completely was gone. So I couldn’t do that anymore. Couldn’t go to conventions, couldn’t, couldn’t do any of that. So I lost it all. So, you know, a little help from the government, you know, we all got a little help from the government, PPP loans and that sort of thing, but the main way that I’ve dealt with it, is to make sure that as a businessman, I kept my expenses in line and kept my debt under control the entire time that I’ve been in business. So, when this whole thing happened, my debt, not only as a business, but my debt as a family, was extremely low. Because after it happened to us in 2007, and we were fortunate, in 2007 when it happened to us, we were the same way then, because I’ve just always been that way. I do not want to carry debt unless I can absolutely avoid it. So the only debt I’m going to carry is my house note and cars. And even with cars, we never carry more than one at a time. So, um, yeah. So when something like this happens, it’s much easier to pull back, you know, go on and okay, how many, do we really need all, do we really need all of these subscriptions to the streaming services? No. So, you know, we pull back, pull back, and I’ll tell you the other thing about it, I was amazed to find out how little money we could live on. And I wasn’t amazed about this, but, cause I’ve been making this point to my family for years. And they, what finally drove it home was, if you stop eating out for about six months, you will be amazed at how much money you save. I mean, it’s crazy how much money. I mean, because my family, I’ve got one of those families who just got addicted to the idea of, you know, three days a week or whenever it’s like, ah, just somebody run up and pick something up or let’s just go up to the local place, whatever. And then suddenly, when we couldn’t do that anymore and we had to buy groceries and eat at home because of COVID, it was like, I mean, I was actually shocked, for like the first four months our net worth was not dropping. And I had just lost all my business and our net worth wasn’t going down and I’m like, do you mean to tell me that I’m only working so we can go to Chili’s? You know, that’s just ridiculous. But that’s the way it felt. And because we were just overspending, overspending, overspending. And I actually, I actually rebuilt my entire kit in the middle of the COVID, because I was able to pull back so much on my expenses that I was like, you know what, now’s a good time for me to make the change, I’ve been wanting to switch from DSLR to mirrorless for awhile. And I made that switch in the middle of the COVID with no business because I had the money saved, I had the money to do it, and I knew it would be a good opportunity for me to learn the new gear, work with the new gear, as opposed to having to make the switch where yeah, one day I’m shooting a Canon at a wedding and the next day I’m shooting Fuji at the wedding. That can be a huge jump. I wanted have time with the cameras to really get used to them and used the equipment. And now I have nothing but time. But right now what I’m doing as far as moving forward, is I’m trying to promote more into the areas where I know I can get clients. Headshots, especially. Headshots, corporate work, portrait work, stuff like that. You could still get that. People still need it, you know, but your event work, the event work is just next to impossible to get right now.

Trevor: Gotcha. Well, no, I think there’s a lot of good principles in the story that you just told, because I mean, with, with how smart you’ve been with your business and not going crazy into debt and stuff, when these certain things happen, and then you’re able to look at your finances and it’s like, okay, hey, we can pull this back here to kind of, you know, help this other area that might be suffering a lot. I think that’s, that’s incredible. That’s, that’s very good business decisions. And then, I think just for, for people who maybe are also still kind of going through this, or maybe someone who was kind of setting up their business, I’d love to kind of keep following this trail. Like, what other advice would you give someone that’s trying to help their, their business succeed and be profitable?

Booray: Well, that’s the first one right there, is control your costs. And because I can’t tell you, I mean, I know photographers who gross twice the money that I make and take home less money than I take. You know, because they, my wife is a perfect example. My wife owns, we own a couple of different companies. That was another thing to help us, is we, we have, we have two other companies that are, that are not affected by COVID. So that counts as a float. Uh, but, my wife is a person who, when she’s setting up a new company, which is one of the things she loves to do more than anything, she’s very much, she likes to build things. She builds it and then she gets bored with it, she builds something else. She signs up for every service imaginable that she thinks will help her with the business. And then she, you know, you look around, I’m like you are paying $150 a month in virtual assistance and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you’re not using this stuff and you need to get rid of it. Now on the flip side of that coin, there are other things that you can sign up for that are very affordable and absolutely pay off in dividends and is a perfect example of that. I didn’t stop using, you know, when I started cutting corners this last year, because, the value of it, is so much greater than the cost, you know? So with, it’s like, that’s a no brainer. I did six headshots yesterday, for somebody, and instead of me spending half a day retouching, I’m gonna send it to you guys, and for, I don’t know what, $15 when it was all said and done? While, while you guys were doing that I was able to spend that time marketing to another client, which is going to help me grow my business. So there are absolutely very, very good things to be said about outsourcing, but you have to pick the right outsourcing for your time-money equation. And, you know, outsourcing something, if the money you spend on the outsourcing is going to free up so much more time, you know, for the money, then it’s absolutely working. And RetouchUp is a perfect example of that. It’s, I mean, you just can’t, I think, I mean, the amount of time that I save by using RetouchUp is crazy, but then there’s other services where that’s not necessarily true. You know, album design would be a good example. If you do weddings and stuff, if you outsource your album design, unless you’re just totally all thumbs, album design might not be the best choice for you, because if you take the time to learn how to do album design, then you can do it fairly quickly. You know, and, and the cost of album design might be pretty expensive, depending on who you use, and I’m using album design as a, you know, as a big, broad example. But it can be anything, it could be virtual assistant stuff. You can hire a virtual assistant to manage your email, and when, you know, if you just work that a little bit, you could manage your email yourself and not have to have a virtual assistant. So yeah, there’s a lot of ways to go about it.

Trevor: No, absolutely. Well, thank you for mentioning us. We certainly appreciate that. We do our best to, to help photographers save time.

Booray: You’re the best, you’re the best bargain in the business. That’s true. There’s nothing else you can outsource, there’s no other thing that I outsource in my business, where that, that I get as much time saved for the money spent as I do by using And I started doing schools and stuff. I got a little school here that I do, and it’s maybe, I might do 30 kids there, 35 kids? Ah, y’all are a lifesaver. I would spend, I spend a whole day bogged down in that, instead I just upload it to you guys, and then a day or two later here it comes ready to go, ready to deliver. For less money than I’ll get from one, from one of those kids.

Trevor: Oh yeah. That’s, that’s a good point. Absolutely. And for resources could you think of any other, like one or two, that have been a help to you that maybe you use on a daily, weekly, even monthly basis that might be beneficial to other photographers?

Booray: Oh, wow. So many, so many, so many. For your bookkeeping and your invoicing and your contracts, etc., I use 17hats and, 17hats built specifically for us and it works great. I absolutely love 17hats. I, I use it for my invoicing, my contracting and everything else. There’s other little tools I like to use that aren’t necessarily photography based, but they use really, really help me. It’s funny you ask me this because actually next week, I’m speaking, beaming a virtual talk at a photography affiliate in West Palm, Florida. And this is actually the topic of my talk is all the software that I use.

Trevor: Oh hey, perfect! Give you a little warmup!

Booray: There’s another program I could not live without. It’s called Evernote and I could not live, do you know Evernote?

Trevor: I’m not too familiar with that. Could you explain that?

Booray: It’s an, it’s a note taking program and there’s a bunch of note taking, OneNote is one, Apple has their own note taking program. Evernote is by far the most robust. And once we start using Evernote, and I mean really using it, putting everything into it, I have a small little ScanSnap scanner on my desk, a small scanner, and not like a flatbed, you know, when you speed the papers in. Every piece of paper that comes across my desk goes into that scanner immediately and scanned into Evernote tags. And so we were just, we’re refinancing our house, right, to get a lower interest rate. And they’re like, okay, well we need, we need bank statements. We need mortgage statements. We need insurance statements. We need all these statements. No problem, it’s all right there in Evernote. I go to Evernote, everything to pay for that’s ever come to my office is sitting right there waiting for me. And it’s all sorted and it’s all searchable. So if you would like me to find my HOA bill from four years ago, I can just go in, go to my tag HOA, and there they all are. You know, yeah, all my bank statements go in there, everything. And the same thing with clients. So I put all my clients in there, not the clients, but the jobs rather, I put in here. So I have a running tally of all the jobs that I have coming up under the year, and then anytime I have a note from that client, or something I need to remember from that client or whatever, I can just go in there and just put that in there and now I’ve got a note from that thing. You can scan business cards and any pics, any document you take a picture of it will, it will, the document is now searchable. You never know.

Trevor: Phenomenal.

Booray: And it’s completely compatible with the web and with an app on your phone. So I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been someplace else, and I’ve needed some information. If it’s a client, I can just go to Evernote and my phone, their contract is there, their payment history is there, any notes I took when I met with them are there, everything is there, everything I need on a client is right there in Evernote. Or when I see a picture that I like, and I’m like, Oh, that’s a great pose. I’d like to use that pose sometime. No problem. I just snap it, slap it into Evernote into a folder I have marked posing. Before a job, I’ll go look in that folder and look at these poses I saw in magazines or stuff that I really like and be like, Oh, you know what? I think I’ll try this pose. Or don’t forget to turn the hand that way. So I use Evernote for everything. Once you start using it, you get addicted to it and you start putting everything in it, and it’s all there. I love Evernote. I love 17hats. I love you guys. There’s a program you can get if you use Gmail, that’s called Boomerang. It’s great. It’s like 50 bucks a year. And what Boomerang will do for you is anytime I send an email to a client asking them a question, then I boomerang it in a week. And what it will do is, if a week goes by and that person doesn’t reply to that email, they will, Boomerang will just put that email back in my inbox. So each day I look at my inbox and there’s a boomerang, you know, from Gloria and I can open it and that’s the email I sent Gloria saying, Gloria, I need you to give me the final selections on this album. And I sent it to her a week ago and she hasn’t answered me. So anytime I did an inquiry for a potential job and a client contacts me, and you know, and I send them back an email saying, thank you so much, I would love to do your headshots. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Boomerang that in three days. And if three days from now, they haven’t replied to me, I follow up. Hey, I sent you some information a few days ago and you never replied back to me, I’m just checking in. And that’s what is a said later feature, which is handy because sometimes you’ll be doing some work for a client and you’ll finish the work too fast. Like maybe it’s one of those days and somebody comes to you to do some headshot or whatever for the client. And then you come back and you happen to do them right away, and so like 45 minutes after you did the job you’re done. Well you can’t send them the work 45 minutes after you did the job because it gives them impression that you don’t actually have to work very hard on their work, right? And the truth is, it only took you 45 minutes because you’ve been doing it for 10 years. And it’s actually very very hard to do the retouching, but I’ll send it, I’ll send this to them in an hour or two, you know, send it to them two hours from now. Or sometimes you’ll have a client who you know needs to hit reply to everything you send them. And it’s five o’clock at night, and you know that if you send them this email now they’re gonna come right back to you right now and you’re not going to get to get off work. So you say, send this tomorrow morning at 9:00 AM.

Trevor: Gotcha, wow.

Booray: And it’s a wonderful little program. It’s like 50 bucks a year. It’s called Boomerang.

Trevor: That’s awesome. Boomerang, Evernote. Man, these are phenomenal resources. Get rid of the clutter, no more papers lying around and trying to figure out where stuff is, as well as following up with clients.

Booray: Yeah, I go paperless, absolutely paperless, my contracts are all paperless. You, you pay me paperless. I, everything, everything is paperless and everything is saved up in Evernote, so I can look up anything I’ve ever done. Every business card, and you know what, you hand me your business card, I’ll pull my phone out and take a picture of it and hand it right to you. Right back to you and now it’s, an antagonist photographer or whatever.

Trevor: There you go. Yeah, they can look it up later. That’s perfect. Holy cow. Well, man, hey, we really want to respect your time, know that you’re super busy with everything that you got going on. So just to kind of wrap up a couple of last questions here. As far as like social media goes and everything, is it, is this, are you kind of into the social media world or like, how do you stay relevant in the minds of your clients?

Booray: Well, I don’t really get a lot of clients from social media. I know a lot of people really try to work that angle. And my social media approach is more of a personality approach. I use social media just to stay in the minds of my clients, as opposed to like, I’m, I’m not pushing out tons of, of my work on social media all the time to remind my clients that I do photographs. And I’m more pushing out stuff on social media to remind my clients that I exist. I was, I was a radio person and comedian for years. So if you get me as your photographer, I’m not the quiet guy. I’m the guy, as you have seen today, I’m the guy who never shuts up. You know, I’m going to talk to you, I’m going to joke with you, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So my goal with social media is always just to remind that I exist so that, you know, so that Booray Perry never disappears from their world. And then hopefully when they need a photographer, or they’re thinking of someone says they need a photographer, they’ll be like, oh, Booray Perry. Cause you know, I just saw that funny meme that he had on Facebook yesterday. So I remembered who Booray is. I know that there are people who really say that they oh, they get a lot of work from, from Instagram and stuff like that, but I’ve never really gotten much work that way. For me, it’s all been more about, about that, and customer service too. Like, I mean, don’t get me wrong, it’ll help you a lot. But the best way it helps you is the last three bar mitzvahs that I shot, I asked the person, how did you find me? And they said, there’s a Facebook group called Jewish moms of Tampa Bay, and whenever someone goes in there and asks about getting a photographer for their kid’s bar mitzvah, you are the most recommended photographer.

Trevor: That’s awesome.

Booray: And I’m like, okay, see that’s social media working for you right there. You know, social media never works for you more than when other people are talking about it.

Trevor: Absolutely. 100%.

Booray: That’s when it really works for you the most.

Trevor: I would agree. Well, that’s great to know. No, this is, this is awesome to hear and to learn from you. You know, I hope that everyone listening will have that, you know, they’re taking notes cause this is valuable stuff. I love learning from you and others. No, for reals!

Booray: I’m unique though. I’m unique. I always feel weird when people want to interview me about business because my business has been weird from day one. I approach it different than a lot of other people. I don’t, you know, I don’t, I don’t specialize in one specific thing, which they tell you that you’re supposed to do. You know, I, I don’t market through email, which they tell you you’re supposed to do. I really market a large part of what I do is through word of mouth, by being so, present with my, with my clients that they can’t forget me. You know, I have to be, by being larger than life. It comes from my performing days by being larger than life. And they don’t forget that guy with a stupid name. And that’s that’s, you know, my wife has always said that my name is the best marketing tool that I’ve ever had.

Trevor: Oh, it’s phenomenal. I’m never going to forget Booray, but I’ve never met anyone with Booray until now. So I think it’s phenomenal. Great name.

Booray: My first name is my first name is Tom. Nobody can remember Tom.

Trevor: Oh man, you kill me. Well, man, Booray what would be the best way for, for people to connect with you and stay in touch if they’re interested?

Booray: Well, first of all, if you’re your photographer and I’m guessing you would, go to Facebook and look for Pro Photo Talk with Booray Perry. I actually have a group for photographers on Facebook, come and join that group because it’s a great group. It is not a, hey, everybody comes on every day and post pictures and hopes to get everybody to give them likes and stuff like that. It’s not that group at all. In fact, I will delete those posts put onto the site. It’s not, because if you, you know, because people do that on Facebook all the time, but in real life, if you walk into a room with a bunch of other photographers, you wouldn’t walk around with your iPad showing everybody your pictures, oh what do you think it is? It’s not, yeah, you wouldn’t do that, right? But you do it online. And I was like, I don’t want to have a group that’s like that. So this group is more like real photographers getting together and just talking to each other. So my group is, you know, people saying, hey, I’m having problems with this lens or, or, hey, what do you guys think about this pose? Or so we, you know, you can absolutely post pictures. People do, but only if they’re asking a question or they’re looking for some advice, or even if they just want to say something funny about it, that’s fine. But it’s not one of those, let me just go pick, post pictures so that I can get validation. It says in my rules, you’re not going to get any validation here. This is a, this is a, this is a clubhouse for photographers, just to talk about photography and, and, you know, and have fun. So it’s called Pro Photo Talk with Booray Perry. There’s the podcast, of course. And then also, if you go to YouTube and google Booray Perry there, I have a YouTube channel, which has got, I don’t know, dozens and dozens and dozens of video where I talk about photography theory and so forth. But if you’re a Fuji shooter, then you want to check out my, my, my [channel], because I, I do a lot of videos about Fuji because I’m a Fuji shooter now. I just, I just became a full-time Fuji shooter two months ago.

Trevor: Oh awesome.

Booray: I was Canon my entire career and then I switched to Fuji two months ago.

Trevor: Wow. That’s quite the change, no?

Booray: It was. It was, it was there a big change, but well, before that, I owned a Fuji. I owned a Fuji X100S, and then the Fuji X100F, and then the X100V, which is a small compact camera that they make. And I love that camera so much with a fixed 2.0 lens on it and a range finder style. And I love it so much. I mean, I bought three of them, and I use it so much over the years as my walk around camera and my, you know, hanging out with the family camera, vacation camera, that it really came to make me love Fuji. And so I finally just, when I decided it was time to move to mirrorless, I looked at, at Canon, and I looked at Fuji, and Canon is still top dog as far as I’m concerned, I mean, Sony’s right up there too, but Canon stuff is still so incredibly good, but I just enjoy Fuji more. And Fuji was so much less expensive. And so I decided I’m going to rebuild my kit, this is probably the last time. This is probably the last kit I’ll have, I might upgrade cameras one more time before I retire in about 15 years. Also, also, part of the reason, it’s exhilarating to switch brands!

Trevor: Hmm.

Booray: You know, you, you drive the same car for 10 years, no big deal. Then you go out and you buy a completely different car. And now you’re really, you’re pretty excited about that car for a while. It’s the same thing with cameras. I mean, I’m, I’m excited about picking up my camera now. And with my Canon gear, I wasn’t excited anymore. I’ve been using it for so long. It was just a tool, you know, but now it’s like, oh, I need to learn this new camera. I get to learn how you know, and, so it’s a lot of fun. So yeah, via YouTube, Facebook, and of course the podcast.

Trevor: Fantastic. Booray, thank you so, so much for your time. This is, this has been awesome. We look forward to being able to post this and get this to everybody. Really though, thank you for your time. We know you’re super busy, so, appreciate it.

Booray: Well, I’m happy to do it. And you know, all your other interviews are going to be much harder now because they’re not going to talk nearly as much as I do.

Trevor: Oh man. Yeah, we’ll have to really, you know, pull on their teeth to get them talking, right?

Booray: Yeah. Now you’ll be able, you’ll, you’ll be like, can you give us a, can you give us some stuff that you use to help in your business? And they’ll be like, not really.

Trevor: Okay. I guess this week, we’re just going to replay Booray’s interview.

Booray: Yeah. That’s the thing with me. You just ask your question and then you can go get yourself something to drink and use the bathroom and take a walk and come back and I’ll still be answering the question.

Trevor: Oh man. That’s so good. Well, no, seriously, thank you so much, but we’ll be in touch. Let you know when we, when we get things posted and everything, but man, thank you so much. We appreciate it.

Booray: My pleasure.

Trevor: Thanks so much. You have a good one.